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Although not necessarily musically. Just by personal preference. :)

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That's ok, it's not that sort of poll, personal preference is the way to answer it. I'm curious about Stooges people vs Doors people after a discussion with Simon this morning.

Although your implication seems to be that the Stooges are better musically? ;)

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I haven't heard enough of the Stooges to be able to judge how good they are musically, and I'm not sure I musically understand The Doors. (Does anyone?) So I wouldn't know.

The Doors that I've heard tends towards having instrumental sections that really make me sit up and take notice. I regret to say I can't say the same for anything Mr Pop has been involved in, uh, ever. Except 'Gimme Danger', but we've been through that. :)

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That's a much better argument than Simon's which was basically that Doors' songs are longer. At which point I mentioned "We Will Fall" - (10.18)

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By that logic the Ozric Tentacles are better than both of them (to be fair, I do like them better than both of them, mind...) - longest song that's not long because of a hidden track in my iTunes clocks in at 19:03. But then Simon likes them too, doesn't he?

And then after that it's Dead Can Dance. I'm noting a pattern here.

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Hmm, chalk and cheese, so I'm not sure I'd want to compare them. The Ozrics are fantastic live though. Jim really can't compete on that score.

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It's Sunday, I'm not being serious :) Although I could probably write a comparison of the Doors and the Ozrics if I were at school and had to. But then I once planned and drafted an essay about similarities between the New Romantics and the Romantics (as in the poets, not the New Wave band of mild renown) so I can crowbar most things like that really.

I have too many thoughts.

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Erm, drugs and shagging? Oh, and big white shirts. Although strangely there's something altogether healthier and more wholesome about the New Romantics.

I think you have just the right amount of thoughts. :)

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The big white shirts were definitely in there. I think somehow I managed to link 'Rio' to Lord Byron's life in Italy, as well, but I'm buggered if I can remember how now. I wish I'd kept the notes.

I think there was something to do with goth and Shelley as well. And decadence and elitism and, uh. I have no idea what else.

I miss you. Very glad I am likely to see you soon. I approve of that as a concept.

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Mmm, decadence.

Yeah, lookin' forward to seein' ya soon, honey. :)

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zotz

That may depend on when you catch him - I saw him on the last day of my teens and he was absolutely scorching.

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sprezzatoura.livejournal.com

By that logic the Ozric Tentacles are better than both of them

*Whispers* So are Marillion. ;-)

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moral-vacuum.livejournal.com

SICK! SICK! SICK!

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hirez.livejournal.com

Kraftwerk! Better than The Ozrics and Marillion standing on each others' shoulders and wearing a long coat pretending to be dead tall!

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Cuh, what was implicit is that there's far more opportunity in Doors songs to work out musical ideas. Which there is, and which is why they're better. Not that I don't like the Stooges, but the Doors are far more interestingly psych-y. And they're a heroin and dope band, not a speed band. And that's just better. ;-p

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moral-vacuum.livejournal.com

My choice was made due to a number of factors:

1) The lead person of the band as human being. Iggy wins.

2) The charisma and excitement provided by said band and singer. Iggy wins. (And he actually DOES get his nob out on stage, unlike Jim, the little tease).

3) Level of pretentious bollocks. Iggy wins.

4) Ghastliness of fans. Iggy wins.

5) Musical acomplishment. The Doors win, although there are some tracks that really get on my tits. Iggy/Stooges did some good stuff, but frankly it's a trfle too raw for regular listening, I have to be in a specific mood for a lot of it.

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1) Hmm, lizard with tendency to paunchiness versus stringy roll of sliced-up sinew. I'm not sure either comes out on top in the being human stakes...
2) Oh, I think it's a matter of record that Jim whipped his out often enough. Or too often, depending on how one looks at it. To be honest, I'd rather see Iggy's, though, so yeah, I'll give you that one.
3) Oh God, 'The End'. Still, the music's great.
4) Well, there are an awful lot more Doors fans than Stooges fans. Sure there are probably more ghastly Doors fans than Stooges fans in absolute numbers, but the proportions are probably just the same. Think of all those skanky old punks loitering on Camden High St.
5) They both have their moments. I really like some Stooges stuff, especially Search and Destroy. But the Doors have it for me on balance.

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percyprune.livejournal.com

Agreed.

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sushidog.livejournal.com

There's also far more opportunity for them to get boring and to disappear up their own arses though; Iggy gets in there, does the business, and gets out while you still want more.

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nisaba.livejournal.com

Precisely. I grew up with both playing in the house, and while I do like The Doors style, there is more than enough of it in an average Doors song. In fact, most Doors tracks would be infinitely improved by being reduced to about 66% of their length.

It didn't help that there was a guy in my circle of friends at uni who would always put "Riders on the Storm" on the jukebox every time we went out, because it was the longest song listed and thus 'value for money'.

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Ooh, and while I remember, do you even dip into "Readers Recommend" in the Guardian? I think you might enjoy it. http://music.guardian.co.uk/readersrecommend

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That's a very good point. I used to and had completely forgotten about it for some reason. Fantastic. Thank you :)

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nils.livejournal.com

I'm assuming we're just choosing a band on their own merits, not on all the other bands they've influenced...

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Entirely up to you! Althought Simon did try to tell me that the Stooges hadn't been as influential as the Doors! Maybe not in his genre...

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nils.livejournal.com

Well, I picked The Doors, cause I think most of the time I'd prefer to listen to them. But if the question was something like 'Which band would you eliminate from music history?', I'd want to keep The Stooges, rather than get rid of the horde of bands they spawned. That just wouldn't do. ;-)

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hirez.livejournal.com

Curse these one-dimensional choices.

It's prog vs punk, innit? Masters of the universe vs Never mind the bollocks.

I choose the Doors, but only for the bits where wee Jimmy shuts up about breaking through crystal ships.

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You didn't go the way I expected, I really thought you'd choose Iggy!

But yeah, Simon music vs Fiona Music! ;)

(Although I do very much like the Doors.)

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And I like the Stooges! It's just a question of which we each prefer.

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hirez.livejournal.com

For me, the answer with questions like these (Beatles vs stones, Oasis vs Blur) has always been 'yes' or 'no' rather than one or other of the bands. I am tiresome snowflake boy in that regard. The reason I mentioned those two LPs is because I care for both, for instance.

The answer to a different question would be 'I'd rather be in a Stooges cover band.'

Urg. Thinking too hard.

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Sorry! This wasn't really meant to be the sort of post that got people thinking. :)

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thermaland.livejournal.com

I am deeply shocked that the Doors are winning.

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naturalbornkaos.livejournal.com

I would be interested in hearing the whole discussion regarding the different types of people. I do agree that this is an interesting personality divison, but I wonder if it's for the same reasons.

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It wasn't so much personalities as "my lot" vs "his lot", the sort of musicians who were influenced by one or other. (He was surprised when I told him Siouxsie and the Banshees cite "Moonlight Drive" as an influence.) It was an argument that drifted all over the place and was really very silly. e.g. I said I'd rather shag Iggy and he said, well yes, Jim Morrison's been dead for 35 years...

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tvor.livejournal.com

I'm really not familiar with Iggy's work on the whole, couldn't tell you the name of a song though i'm sure i've heard a bit over the years. Jim's lyrics are a bit too heady for me sometimes but overall i do like them. I particularly like Roadhouse Blues, straightforward, bluesy rock, mindless lyrics. :)

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girfan.livejournal.com

I'm probably the only one on here who has seen both bands live (not any recent incarnations) and pick The Doors since they put on a cracking live show and have written some of my all time favourite songs (especially Moonlight Drive.

I do love the Igster's rawness live and have seen him about 5 times over a few decades and have to admit it was a close choice of which to pick.

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I made my choice based on which band I would generally prefer to listen to*. Nothing to do with musical influence, which cover band it would be more fun to be in, or which lead singer really got his dick out. I can never be accused of over-thinking the question...

* This seems an odd reason, based on some of the replies so far.

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ha! i evened it up without even knowing it.
stogges win. hands down, every time. doors are alright, but if you want to bounce around and have fun it HAS to be the stooges, plus iggy oozes sex appeal and jim morrison...well imo he was past it before he died!

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zotz

The Doors are creatures of their time, and haven't really dated well. It was all a bit sprawling and self-indulgent. They were very influential, and not least on Iggy - The Passenger was based on one of Morrison's poems - but I don't think their recordings are as good, and they were even more flatulent in the live footage I've seen.

If you come across a copy of Please Kill Me, do pick it up - the late-sixties part of the interviews has people lining up to say what a little shit Morrison was. It's funny, in a train-wreck sort of way.

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kekhmet.livejournal.com

that was easy!

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You don't seem to have voted, or was that deliberate?

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kekhmet.livejournal.com

how utterly bizarre. I voted, and it proceeded to show me the results and then I commented.

When I looked just now though, it was still showing me totals (as though I had voted) but you were right... my actual vote was not present in the poll.

Fixed now... I think!

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